{"id":3688,"date":"2021-10-23T11:21:30","date_gmt":"2021-10-23T16:21:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/?p=3688"},"modified":"2021-10-23T11:21:30","modified_gmt":"2021-10-23T16:21:30","slug":"no-bother","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/2021\/10\/23\/no-bother\/","title":{"rendered":"No Bother"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

I relistened to the debate I mentioned here<\/a>. If you’d like to watch the debate, it’s here<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Again, the resolution was this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A willingness to intervene, and to seek regime change, is key to an American foreign policy that benefits America.<\/em><\/em><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

This was an Oxford-style debate. The “winner” is the one who changes the audience’s opinion the most.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Before the debate, I cast my vote as undecided. Following the debate, I gave my vote, much to my dismay, to Krystol.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

After listening again, despite Horton’s seemingly-irrelevant interjections, I reluctantly opposed the resolution.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But, on further consideration, there’s not two, but four separate options.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you have a willingness to intervene? Yes or no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you have a willingness to seek regime change? Yes or no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, the First Gulf War would have been: Intervene, yes. Seek Regime change, no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Afghanistan in 2001, or Somalia in 1992? Intervene, yes. Seek regime change, not particularly at first.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Panama 1989? Intervene, yes. Seek regime change, yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Libya in 2013? Intervene, for the most part, no. Seek regime change? Absolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Egypt in 2013? Intervene, no. Seek regime change? Not particularly, but it happened, and we were okay with it, even though it meant the Muslim Brotherhood.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Iraq 1991 – 2003: Intervene, yes. Seek regime change? No<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rwanda 1994: Intervene, no. Seek regime change? No, just stop the massacre. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

Libya 2003ish-2013: Intervene, no, seek regime change? No.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

<\/td>RC<\/td>NRC<\/td><\/tr>
Intervene<\/td>YY<\/td>YN<\/td><\/tr>
NI<\/td>NY<\/td>NN<\/td><\/tr><\/tbody><\/table><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

By and large, however, I’m opposed to intervention. I didn’t support the Second Iraq War until I heard Tony Blair argue for it in front of Parliament.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But breaking it down into the separate combinations….<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are there times when America should intervene, and not seek regime change? Sometime, absolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are there times when America should intervene, and seek regime change? Yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are there times when Americas should seek regime change without intervention? I would say that that’s pretty rare.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Are there times when America should stay as far away as possible? Yes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That neither of the debaters noticed the problem with this resolution is actually pretty incredible, now, in retrospec.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

I relistened to the debate I mentioned here. If you’d like to watch the debate, it’s here. Again, the resolution was this: A willingness to intervene, and to seek regime change, is key to an American foreign policy that benefits America. This was an Oxford-style debate. The “winner” is the one who changes the audience’s […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-3688","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-scarred-brain-murmurings"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3688","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3688"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3688\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3688"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3688"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/control-h.org\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3688"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}